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TGuinan
2005-01-29 01:08:06 UTC
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I found an book on films available for rent or sale back in the eighties that
listed a film I'm looking for Stampede (1921) directed by Francis Ford and
Starring Texas Guinan that was available at a company in Los Angeles called
Film Classic Exchange. Does anyone know if they're still around, when they
quit, or where their originals went?
k***@verizon.net
2005-01-29 04:56:56 UTC
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Post by TGuinan
I found an book on films available for rent or sale back in the eighties that
listed a film I'm looking for Stampede (1921) directed by Francis Ford and
Starring Texas Guinan that was available at a company in Los Angeles called
Film Classic Exchange. Does anyone know if they're still around, when they
quit, or where their originals went?
If you are referring to the FCE formally on South Vermont Avenue, it
was owned and operated by one Charles Tarbox, who started as a
theatrical distributor of indie and foreign films and later sold 8mm
and 16mm prints of highly variable print quality to the collector's
market. I do not believe he had any connection with the "Film Classics"
that reissued Hal Roach comedies. He passed away many years ago and the
whereabouts of his collection of prints and negatives is unknown to me.
He did have some unique and fascinating stuff: a 1902 Lubin narrative
THE LOST CHILD, a forgotten and funny Billy Bevan / Sennett BE
REASONABLE from 1921, and the English release sound version of Dreyer's
VAMPYR re-titled CASTLE OF DOOM. I had prints of all these and more. I
would like to know what happened to his materials also ....
Kingsley
thebobster
2005-01-29 05:05:59 UTC
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Post by k***@verizon.net
Charles Tarbox
I do not believe he had any connection with the "Fil­m Classics"
that reissued Hal Roach comedies

You're probably right, but in the past, I always thought it was the
same company, as Tarbox's FCE offered four L&H shorts (HOG WILD, NIGHT
OWLS, and two others).
Substancemedia
2005-01-29 20:26:22 UTC
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<< >>Charles Tarbox
I do not believe he had any connection with the "Fil=ADm Classics"
that reissued Hal Roach comedies >>


Actually there was a connection but they were two separate entities.

Murray Glass from Em Gee DID NOT have anything to do with the Tarbox library.
Robert Miller
2005-01-29 21:06:49 UTC
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I booked a lot of film-society titles from those colorful characters, "back
in the day," and it was clear from various phone conversations with both
Murray and Charlie that they were certainly aware of each other, at least as
competitors in the rare/old-film marketplace of the 1970s.

Since both of them sold as well as rented 16mm prints (sometimes made from
their own negatives, IIRC) there was a high probability that through various
swaps and purchases, whether or not via intermediaries, some of their
once-"exclusive" titles eventually ended up in the other guy's library and
catalog.

(Actually, I never received a real catalog from Charlie -- only lots of
loose sheets, rarely even stapled, of crazy-quilt, cut-and-paste title
listings.)
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Murray Glass from Em Gee DID NOT have anything to do with the Tarbox library.
Substancemedia
2005-01-29 22:44:54 UTC
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Well, I'm not here to "diss" anybody but yes both parties were very much aware
of each other and Murray "borrowed" a few of Charlie's titles (made another neg
from a 16mm print of FCE origin). As far as I know Tarbox never used any of
Glass's material.

FCE was founded in 1916, and was incorporated in 1926. Charles Tarbox owned
theatres in New York and in L.A. and during the 50's played silent movies to a
unique form of organ which was designed and built to Tarbox's specs. The organ
could recreate special sound effects and also took on the sounds of various
other instruments. It was a forerunner of a synthesizer. The theatre and the
organ burned to the ground in the 70's.

Tarbox also was a 1/3 owner of a production company called TAM Productions
which stood for Tarbox, Cliff Arquette and Jerome Manning who were his
co-partners. Cliff Arquette is best remembered as "Charley Weaver." TAM
produced the Charley Weaver show for the early days of television among other
things. Tarbox later bought out Arquette and Manning. TAM also sold to
television hundreds of silent films which had added voice tracks and musical
effects. Television in the 50s was hesitant to play "silent" films. Max
Davidson, Monty Banks, Billy Ritchie and Gale Henry all got the new voice
treatment as well as better known silent comics. The "sound" versions of these
forgotten shows DO EXIST today on 35MM and 16MM.

Charles Tarbox also wrote two books - Lost Films: 1895-1917 and The Five Ages
Of The Cinema.


<< I booked a lot of film-society titles from those colorful characters, "back
in the day," and it was clear from various phone conversations with both
Murray and Charlie that they were certainly aware of each other, at least as
competitors in the rare/old-film marketplace of the 1970s.

Since both of them sold as well as rented 16mm prints (sometimes made from
their own negatives, IIRC) there was a high probability that through various
swaps and purchases, whether or not via intermediaries, some of their
once-"exclusive" titles eventually ended up in the other guy's library and
catalog.

(Actually, I never received a real catalog from Charlie -- only lots of
loose sheets, rarely even stapled, of crazy-quilt, cut-and-paste title
listings.)
Robert Miller
2005-01-29 23:51:17 UTC
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Hey, thanks for the very interesting "backstory" on Charlie Tarbox.

I could tell that he was an elderly gent, back when I dealt with him by
phone, and I recall him saying that he had "been in the film business a very
long time," but he never volunteered any details.

None of the silents I rented from him ever had any "newly added voices,"
however, and at least a few surely seemed to be Kodascope dupes (possibly
sired from the Hampton collection, but who knows...). Charlie sure did have
a selection of titles that nobody else (at least of those outfits that Jim
Limbacher regularly listed in his reference books) was offering at the time.

Anyway, your assertion that
Post by Substancemedia
The "sound" versions of these
forgotten shows DO EXIST today on 35MM and 16MM.
is quite intriguing, particularly (of course) if surviving episodes of this
1950s TV re-packaging contain good material by Davidson, Banks, Ritchie,
Henry, et. al. that's otherwise either "lost" or archive-locked.

Can you tell us more?

What was the syndication-package title?

Did it run as a stand-alone show, or was a local host required,
market-by-market, to introduce the shorts?

Is someone holding out for a substantial distribution offer to re-release
the best material on DVD?

Is the quality and variety comparable to what Jay Ward had available to him
when he did FRACTURED FLICKERS?

Does Bob Birchard know about this collection?

FilmGene
2005-01-29 06:09:15 UTC
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<<Film Classic Exchange. Does anyone know if they're still around, when they
quit, or where their originals went?>>

This was a small company run by the late Charles Tarbox. I have no idea what
happened to his library. You might try Murray Glass at EmGee Film Library in
LA, although I heard he was in the process of liquidating his library.


Gene Stavis, School of Visual Arts - NYC
Bob Birchard
2005-01-29 09:41:54 UTC
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Post by TGuinan
I found an book on films available for rent or sale back in the eighties that
listed a film I'm looking for Stampede (1921) directed by Francis Ford and
Starring Texas Guinan that was available at a company in Los Angeles called
Film Classic Exchange. Does anyone know if they're still around, when they
quit, or where their originals went?
The Tarbox/Film Classic Exchange collection went to JEF films, I believe, though
they have not surfaced since. Film Classic Exchange had no relation to Film
Classics who reissued the Roach stuff.


--
Bob Birchard

Now available from the University Press of Kentucky
“Cecil B. DeMille’s Hollywood”
by Robert S. Birchard
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http://kentuckypress.com/viewbook.cfm?Category_ID=1&Group=42&ID=1113
Substancemedia
2005-01-29 20:23:18 UTC
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<< that was available at a company in Los Angeles called
Film Classic Exchange. Does anyone know if they're still around, when they
quit, or where their originals went? >>

The company and all negs and materials were purchased by JEF Films. Stampede is
slated for a DVD release in late 2005/early 2006.

Kingsley - are you the same Kingsley that used to work for Morgan at Morcraft?
k***@verizon.net
2005-01-29 22:42:24 UTC
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Post by Substancemedia
Kingsley - are you the same Kingsley that used to work for Morgan at Morcraft?
Yes. Guess the witness protection program isn't as effective as I was
promised...
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